Emily and I went round and round over yesterday’s blog post. Here are some excerpts from our conversations:
Emily: Could you take a look at my blog post? I would appreciate your input.
Laura: Well I like it so far, but I think you should definitely address this sentence, “I know that I want to fix the world, but not quite as much as I want to live in an air-conditioned house and hang out with my friends.” Put something about how you’re not sure how to fix the world, because the issue probably isn’t your ability to forgo comforts, as much as it is trying to figure out what to do. That was a big part of the whole problem with Peace Corps. We have no problem foregoing comforts, but we see that whatever ideology we are trying to work towards isn’t worth it, because it’s flawed.
Maybe Gandhi’s point (be the change you want to see in the world) is the whole point, because how can we be the change we want to see in the world when we’re making ourselves feel horrible for having air conditioning and bemoaning our existential crises? When we are subscribing to that Christian worm philosophy, that we’re worthless? We have to get to the root of that in order to be the change we wish to see in the world, because otherwise we’re just being ourselves with all of our self-hatred and martyrdom enveloped in ego needs.
When you write, “How can I continue to pay taxes that build bombs? How can I go clubbing with my friends when children are cold and hungry?” I wonder if you are saying you don’t deserve to find peace and happiness? That you should feel miserable because other people feel miserable? When does compassion and feeling pain become self degradation and loathing? How can we feel compassion for the suffering of the world and also feel compassion for our own suffering? I think that’s the key. We have to unlock our own suffering and deal with that.
Emily: Those are good points. It’s just such a huge issue, I’m not sure I can wrap my head around the whole thing in one little post. I think that the problem with Peace Corps is that we think that by suffering we alleviate suffering, which is untrue.
Laura: Right, exactly. That’s also my point with your post though, you are still making yourself suffer.
Emily: I’m saying that by not doing anything I am actually suffering more. I know I am making myself suffer, but it’s like if you saw something bad happen and you didn’t intervene because you were scared, you would feel bad after. You make yourself feel bad, but if you had intervened you wouldn’t feel so bad even if you got hurt in the process of helping.
Laura: Right. But how does that apply to you now? You’re not working on releasing your own suffering. My point is you need to do that somehow. Maybe it’s possible to do it through good works or something but I’m not sure. I don’t understand how that applies to you now though. Are you saying that because you aren’t doing good works to change the world you feel even worse?
Emily: Yes
Laura: Then you should do good works
Emily: Right. But my problem is that I see it as an all or nothing proposition, like either I should be standing in front of tanks or just forget about it.
Laura: I feel like you’re still stuck seeing things as out there vs. in you in some way and that’s causing part of the problem. I don’t know. I don’t quite get it.
Emily: Maybe that’s true. I don’t know the answer right now either, but it makes it hard to put it into a post and not be too grouchy.
Laura: Right, that’s why I was hoping some of my points you could use in your post, to give some balance. Maybe also think about making yourself feel guilty for existing in the world. It’s like the whole Joseph Campbell thing about western thought not embracing the world and life…about how it’s against the world and life and we should all suffer and be worms. You have that thread going in your thoughts/thinking. It actually could be quite Christian.
Emily: You know I just thought of something. Once I went to see Julia Butterfly Hill speak. She sat in a redwood for like 6 months or something to save it, she was pretty famous for that. I was really excited to hear her tell about her experience and how we should jump up and make a revolution and all she talked about was stupid crap like using a reusable coffee mug. I was so disappointed I remember.
Laura: Hmm interesting
Emily: Yeah
Laura: I think there’s something here for you. Something about liking drama. I don’t know
Emily : Maybe, that would certainly apply across many areas of my life. Read this. I am not sure what exactly the message is though. But the story feels related.
Laura: Great story. I keep coming back to something. Like in the story, when she’s talking about drugs and doing “bad” things. I was very interested in that for a long time. my journals are full of that. I wanted to show the world that I’m bad. I wanted to do drugs and be immoral and ruin my life or something, so that what I felt inside would match the outside. That’s one reason why I had to go to Peace Corps, I felt I needed to suffer. I felt like I’d been given too many gifts/good things in life. But really I was trying to get the face I show the world to more closely match my inner self. I felt like such an over achiever/suck up, so concerned with what other people thought of me, not with what i thought of myself. I felt like I was taught about life being a competition and I needed to be the best, and good, friendly, kind and all that, but I wanted to try all the opposite stuff to see what it was like. But it’s like now I don’t really see it that way at all. I don’t really want either. I want to be free from these labels. I want to do what I want to do. It’s like now I feel like I identify with the people who walk away, who are willing to give up the “happiness” in order to see what is beyond that. Does that make sense? They’re willing to give up their nice world so they can walk away and see another way to view reality, not just as the dichotomy between happy town and the fearful/tortured child- right and wrong. Because that dichotomy is the dichotomy of the self vs. the not self. The I vs. the world. This is what I want to investigate (and so do the people who walk away from the town).
Emily: Right exactly, that’s what I think too. But I don’t know if I can be happy not doing anything. I need to still be participating. I feel like I really need to walk away. How can I give taxes to the US government?
Laura: Well you need to find the way to walk away for yourself, you need to find what you need for yourself now.
Emily: Yes, easier said than done, that is my problem exactly. I know I want to walk away, but I don’t know where to walk to.
Laura: Right, that’s why I think you need to release some stuff and get some clarity so you’ll know what to do. It’s like you want to move on before you know where to go. We’re really trained to run away or distract ourselves from the pain/emotion. But it’s the running away that actually causes the most pain. When we let it out, it’s less powerful.
Emily: Yeah, maybe I can just say that in my post.
Laura: I like what you say. But, I still think you need to point out how we often make ourselves feel guilty about this stuff. It’s not our fault we exist, even though Christian thought in the West often teaches us that (at least I don’t believe it). It’s not our fault the world is suffering. Plus, how do we know the suffering of others is greater than our own? The suffering of the world is extremely compelling, but we also need to deal with our great internal suffering. You also need to point out the dangers in becoming attached to an ideology . Maybe talk about how being psychologically numb to your own suffering may be the first step. We have to melt our numbness to our own suffering and sort that out first.
Emily: I know what you’re saying, but to an extent there are things that are our faults: orphans, no; Iraq war, yes.
Laura: Yes but you need to address the fact that we make ourselves feel guilty for our existence when we contemplate the suffering of the world and that is not the point. Right now your post sounds mildly coercive.
Emily: Yeah, I know what you mean. I should point out that guilt is not constructive at all or really even justified. How about this? “I know the suffering of the world is not my fault, so why do I feel like it’s my responsibility to alleviate it? Maybe I’m hoping that by saving the world, I will feel better about myself, when actually feeling better about myself might save the world.”
Laura: Yes.
And after all this debate, the post entitled “Psychological Numbing” was the outcome. We posted our conversation because we want to give insight into our thought processes and what we discuss before we post anything on the blog.