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	<title>Comments on: Spiral Dynamics</title>
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	<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 13:04:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Tom Christensen</title>
		<link>http://www.consideringtheuniverse.com/blog/spiral-dynamics/#comment-794</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Christensen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 15:50:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've been at this SD inquiry for over 5 years now...with another 4 years of Wilberizing preceeding that. One problem hard to resolve is the appearance of what looks like many SD levels in one person, depending on many variables. So what is this developmental path if all the stages seem at least available at some times? I've worked out one possible resolution.  Merlin Donald and others speak about atomatic subroutines.  These are things like sentence structure, that is hard to learn and needs a lot of attention to do so, but when mastered they move into automatic subroutines that work pretty much on their own. (We do retain prefrontal cortex, agency freedom...we can interrupt subroutines, but can't stop them from enacting.) This can apply to SD levels also.  We can get the existential needs at an early level satisfied, i.e. routines established that eventually run on automatic.  The earlier level needs do NOT disappear, they just get handled without our attention once we grow to a later level.  Then there are conditions, states, impacting variables that kick us down, at times, into early stages (or kick us up temporarily).  Thus we have all the prior levels available (and maybe future levels?), and either thru accident or intention we can enter earlier levels and live the life they are oriented around.  And then for the wizards among us, we can jump right back up when we intend that.   SD then is map of our epigenetic and established subroutines...a matrix to display the choices we have of what kind of being we want to enact in any context. 

Its important to remember that human being is not an idea.  Human Being is what it is and no idea can embody the whole of what it phenomonologically is.   So our abstractions give us traction in creating our being, but they, by their very nature, can NEVER capture the reality of human being.  SD is a convention, a construction, yes that appears to be pretty well grounded, but will never encompass everything about us.  Conventions are windows on possibility, never meriting an attribution of final and complete understanding.  We just will never KNOW what we are in a final sense.  But we can get a handle on some stuff and SD is very artful in providing some handles. 

I've introduced myself with a lot of verbiage here, so I will leave my comments about joint attention intersubjective event spaces for later.  This is the space that within which we share SD levels with others, and within which our own SD levels are created by our cultural downloads. Mirrror neurons and our minds natural tendancy to imitate facilitate this downloading.  Check out Tomasello, et al. 

Be well - Tom C.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been at this SD inquiry for over 5 years now&#8230;with another 4 years of Wilberizing preceeding that. One problem hard to resolve is the appearance of what looks like many SD levels in one person, depending on many variables. So what is this developmental path if all the stages seem at least available at some times? I&#8217;ve worked out one possible resolution.  Merlin Donald and others speak about atomatic subroutines.  These are things like sentence structure, that is hard to learn and needs a lot of attention to do so, but when mastered they move into automatic subroutines that work pretty much on their own. (We do retain prefrontal cortex, agency freedom&#8230;we can interrupt subroutines, but can&#8217;t stop them from enacting.) This can apply to SD levels also.  We can get the existential needs at an early level satisfied, i.e. routines established that eventually run on automatic.  The earlier level needs do NOT disappear, they just get handled without our attention once we grow to a later level.  Then there are conditions, states, impacting variables that kick us down, at times, into early stages (or kick us up temporarily).  Thus we have all the prior levels available (and maybe future levels?), and either thru accident or intention we can enter earlier levels and live the life they are oriented around.  And then for the wizards among us, we can jump right back up when we intend that.   SD then is map of our epigenetic and established subroutines&#8230;a matrix to display the choices we have of what kind of being we want to enact in any context. </p>
<p>Its important to remember that human being is not an idea.  Human Being is what it is and no idea can embody the whole of what it phenomonologically is.   So our abstractions give us traction in creating our being, but they, by their very nature, can NEVER capture the reality of human being.  SD is a convention, a construction, yes that appears to be pretty well grounded, but will never encompass everything about us.  Conventions are windows on possibility, never meriting an attribution of final and complete understanding.  We just will never KNOW what we are in a final sense.  But we can get a handle on some stuff and SD is very artful in providing some handles. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve introduced myself with a lot of verbiage here, so I will leave my comments about joint attention intersubjective event spaces for later.  This is the space that within which we share SD levels with others, and within which our own SD levels are created by our cultural downloads. Mirrror neurons and our minds natural tendancy to imitate facilitate this downloading.  Check out Tomasello, et al. </p>
<p>Be well - Tom C.</p>
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		<title>By: Considering The Universe &#187; A Different Shade of Green</title>
		<link>http://www.consideringtheuniverse.com/blog/spiral-dynamics/#comment-605</link>
		<dc:creator>Considering The Universe &#187; A Different Shade of Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 15:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] There is an ongoing debate in SF about the skyline and new high-rises like One Rincon pushing poor residents out of the city. This puts &#8220;progressives&#8221; in a rather hilarious predicament, social justice or environmental pragmatism? Gotta love the Green meme. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] There is an ongoing debate in SF about the skyline and new high-rises like One Rincon pushing poor residents out of the city. This puts &#8220;progressives&#8221; in a rather hilarious predicament, social justice or environmental pragmatism? Gotta love the Green meme. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Considering The Universe &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Back from Istanbul &#38; Integral Without Borders</title>
		<link>http://www.consideringtheuniverse.com/blog/spiral-dynamics/#comment-555</link>
		<dc:creator>Considering The Universe &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Back from Istanbul &#38; Integral Without Borders</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 21:34:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] also great to hang out with fellow Integral-heads. People actually laughed at my jokes referencing Spiral Dynamics! Love [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] also great to hang out with fellow Integral-heads. People actually laughed at my jokes referencing Spiral Dynamics! Love [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen C. Rose Home</title>
		<link>http://www.consideringtheuniverse.com/blog/spiral-dynamics/#comment-388</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen C. Rose Home</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-pre%--&gt;Here isan interesting post on Integral thinking&lt;!--%kramer-post%--&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a class="technorati-balloon" href="http://www.technorati.com/cosmos/search.html?url="><img src="http://static.technorati.com/images/bubble_h17.gif" class="technorati-balloon" alt="links from Technorati" style="border:0;" /></a>Here isan interesting post on Integral thinking</p>
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